Bernanke offers stark words as hopes dim for economy
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Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke said Tuesday that Congress should not cut spending significantly right now because it will impair economic recovery.
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By John W. Schoen, Senior Producer
"The recovery is close to faltering."Those are the words of Federal Reserve Board Chairman Ben Bernanke. You can’t get much closer to the R-word these days without just coming out and saying "recession."
Since this summer, forecasters have been gradually paring back their growth targets for the rest of the year and next. As they’ve whittled their forecasts, it's gotten much tougher to avoid calling for another economic downturn.
The latest assessment came from Bernanke, who told lawmakers on Capitol Hill Tuesday: “We need to make sure that the recovery continues and doesn’t drop back and that the unemployment rate continues to fall downward.”
Central bankers typically avoid warning of impending recessions for fear of creating a self-fulfilling prophecy. But private economists caution that the Fed is virtually powerless to do anything about financial turmoil in Europe, which is roiling global financial markets. More than a year after eurozone governments and policy makers began wrestling with a widening debt problem, there are no clear solutions.
On Tuesday, European finance ministers postponed a critical bailout payment to Greece until mid-November and were reportedly considering making European banks take bigger losses on Greek debt. The news sent European bank stocks tumbling further.
U.S. stocks endured another seesaw day before finishing largely higher.
"There seems little doubt that (Europe's debt problems) have hurt household and business confidence, and that they pose ongoing risks to growth," said Bernanke.
On Monday, Goldman Sachs economists trimmed their growth forecasts for Europe and told clients they expect the eurozone to fall into recession beginning in the fourth quarter and continue to flatline next year -- with full-year 2012 growth in gross domestic product of just 0.1 percent. Headwinds from Europe will slow U.S. GDP growth to just a half-percent, the Goldman economists warned.
"The European crisis threatens U.S. economic growth via tighter financial conditions, reduced credit availability, and weaker growth of U.S. exports to the region," the Goldman economists said. "This impact is likely to slow the U.S. economy to the edge of recession by early 2012."
Many private forecasters still say publicly that the U.S. economy will barely dodge a recession and grow slowly for some time without actually contracting. The hope is that the historic flood of cash engineered by the Fed eventually will provide enough of a boost to get companies hiring and consumers spending again.
But there are growing concerns that the money is not providing the stimulus called for in the Fed's economics textbooks. Much of the easy money is sitting on corporate balance sheets as big companies have stockpiled cash to weather another economic storm. That cash pile now makes up the biggest portion of their assets in almost 50 years.
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But the credit markets -- the global river of money that companies use to raise cash by selling bonds -- are beginning to show signs of stress. One measure, the premium that weaker companies have to pay to access that credit, is now at levels that accompanied three previous recessions, according to John Lonski, chief economist at Moody's Investors Service.
"It's not guaranteed that we're going a have a recession," he said. "But the performance of the financial markets, especially the credit market, means we have to be leery of a renewed tightening of lending standards -- not only for companies but for consumers and small businesses -- that could choke off the struggling economic recovery."
Bankers insist they're eager to lend, but can't find enough creditworthy borrowers. But as the economic outlook grows dimmer, lenders typically raise their standards to offset the higher risk of loan defaults that accompany recessions.
The U.S. housing market, meanwhile, remains mired in the deepest recession since the 1930s. Many economists note that every recovery in modern times, including the postwar boom that followed the Great Depression, have included a housing market rebound. But tighter credit standards hold back a housing recovery now, according to Paul Dales, a senior economist with Capital Economics.
Dales notes that home buyers typically need a credit score of at least 700 to qualify for a conventional mortgage from Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac, compared with around 650 during the mid-2000s. He figures that increase has sidelined roughly 12 percent of households looking for a home mortgage.
Falling home prices have also discouraged potential buyers from owning a home. According to a recent survey by Trulia, a real estate website, the number of Americans who believe that owning a home was part of their American Dream fell to 70 percent from 77 percent in 2010. Dales figures that's the equivalent of nearly 8 million households.
"Even if the US economy were to strengthen suddenly, a long-lasting decline in the willingness of Americans to buy a home and a permanent deterioration in their ability to qualify for a mortgage will prevent a significant strengthening in housing demand," Dales said.
There are few sources of growth left to propel the recovery. Consumer spending continues to weaken now that job growth has stalled. Some 45 percent of those out of work have been unemployed for at least six months -- a level previously unseen in the six decades since World War II. The manufacturing sector, one of the few bright spots of the weak recovery, is faltering. And government spending, after a two-year boost of stimulus, appears ready to contract as deficit hawks in Washington enjoy strong political backing from voters.
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According to the Economic Cycle Research Institute, an independent group that tracks business cycles, between 1799 and 1929, nearly 90 percent of U.S. expansions lasted three years, as did two of the three expansions between 1970 and 1981.
Last week, the ECRI notified clients that the U.S. economy was now tipping into recession.
"And there’s nothing that policy makers can do to head it off," the group said.
Here is an excerpt from today's Bernanke testimony:
Federal Reserve chairman Ben Bernanke discusses strategies in areas, such as housing and tax reform, that could provide more economic certainty.
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MSNBC keeps posting things like "the recovery is turning into a recession" like there was a recovery. When BHO and his cronies moved into DC things went down hill and continue so in that direction. Unfortunately we have not hit the bottom yet.
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MSNBC keeps posting things like "the recovery is turning into a recession" like there was a recovery. When BHO and his cronies moved into DC things went down hill and continue so in that direction.
Unfortunately we have not hit the bottom yet. Bernanke daily demostrates he hasn't got a clue of what is going on nor if he did he still wouldn't know what to do.
We can only hope that BHO understands he is gone and works on boxing up his memoir's and White House monogramed linens.
Unfortunately we have not hit the bottom yet. Bernanke daily demostrates he hasn't got a clue of what is going on nor if he did he still wouldn't know what to do.
We can only hope that BHO understands he is gone and works on boxing up his memoir's and White House monogramed linens.
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Obama's summer of recovery turned into an embarrassment of no recovery. Unemployment stuck at 9%. GDP growth less then 2%. $1 trillion dollars spent to energize the nation, Stimulus plus Omnibus bill, and we have little effect to show for it. The Obama cure, lets try Stimulus II since the first worked so anemically. I am glad the Obama labeled this HIS "bottom up" recovery.
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It will take several years to recover from the Bush/Cheney Disaster of two wars and gross stupidity in economics. This problem was caused by Bush/Cheney, not President Obama! Read the facts, not GOP Propaganda.
- 81 votes
I think you need to take a look at the history of this RECESSION, Bub! It was not BHO who got us into two wars and then cut taxes. Put the blame where it belongs. "BHO" was handed a real mess and the fact that Mitchie boy in Congress said that the most important thing was to make this president a one term president says a lot. Kiss the arses of the Republicans if you want, but it is clear that they do not give a wit about the middle class or worker bees. And put some blame on people such as yourselves who can not see the light for the forest.
- 78 votes
U.S. News & World Report is reporting that Michelle Obama's trip to Africa cost taxpayers close to $500,000.00. Obama's daughters were listed as "Senior Staff", a great loophole for the taxpayers to foot the bill for the daughters too.
Wonder what the buffoon Michael Moore would say about this?
Wonder what the buffoon Michael Moore would say about this?
- 66 votes
But BHO did promise us change and here we are still in multiple war zones without an actual declaration from congress and cronyism in Washington is as sickening as ever (look how many Goldman Sachs ex execs are in the presidents cabinet), feels like 12 years of bush for me. Hopefully the American people will wake up and realize we have been hood winked. Only one potential candidate for president I trust... Ron Paul 2012.
- 51 votes
I feel quite strongly that we are in a DEPRESSION. It started out as a recession, but I believe that for some time now, we've been in a depression. I don't know why the media outlets keep calling it a recession... and what recovery??.. there is NO RECOVERY!.. we are in a depression.
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Derek-908696
You think this is bad. Let Ron Paul's ideas be put in play and the whole world will burn. Or do you believe that you can just change the basis of the whole system without killing millions?
You think this is bad. Let Ron Paul's ideas be put in play and the whole world will burn. Or do you believe that you can just change the basis of the whole system without killing millions?
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You mean the recession ended? Oh that's right, for the rich people it ended. For the other 80% of us it's still ongoing.
- 41 votes
Derek-098696: Ron Paul spoke out against the miltiary killing an Al Qaeda terrorist, Al-Awaki, who planned and directed two foiled attacks against the US just because Al-Awaki was an American citizen. As a member of the Armed f you want to vote for a traitor like that, be my guest. But he will NEVER deserve to be a Commander in Chief for what he has said about our military.
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And corporations will keep hoarding cash without hiring workers until there is NO ONE that can afford to buy their products.
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"Bankers insist they're eager to lend, but can't find enough creditworthy borrowers."
What? People who want to borrow money, need the money? Who ever heard of such a thing!!
What if I just want a yacht, but really don't need one? Will that count?
What? People who want to borrow money, need the money? Who ever heard of such a thing!!
What if I just want a yacht, but really don't need one? Will that count?
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Should have taken the hit in 2008! No bail outs, no TARP, no stimulus! Would have been singing a different tune! I'm no stranger to the streets, perhaps!
- 22 votes
Stimulus was mostly used for tax cuts, a REPUBLICAN way of fixing the economy, and lo and behold it didn't work.
"So let's try actual tax cuts and maybe it'll work this time herp derp."
We're screwed.
"So let's try actual tax cuts and maybe it'll work this time herp derp."
We're screwed.
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Horse manure. The powers that be are TRYING to collapse the economy with EXORBITANT spending. There is NO WAY it could get this bad by accident. You people just go ahead and eat your propaganda. Baaaaaaa
- 29 votes
Fasten your seat belts because now the Tea Party will do everything in their power to make sure the economy tanks and the unemployment goes up - that is their agenda - destroy Obama and the American people with it. Negativity begets fear = Tea Party.
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EconomizerGuy: Don't blow our current problems out of proportion. Depression? Oh please, we don't know the meaning of the word. The 1930s saw 25% unemployment, a GDP drop of 33%, and an 89% drop in the market (which didn't regain its former high until 1954).
Sure, things are bad now and probably will be for another year or two, but it's hardly the end of the world.
Sure, things are bad now and probably will be for another year or two, but it's hardly the end of the world.
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Uh, Deborah, you paying attention to the democrats? The ones wanting to raise taxes and increase spending? Noticed how the democrats won't come to the table to balance the budget until taxes are raised first??? Your obsession with the teaparty seems to have blinded you to what the DEMOCRATS are doing. Guess who has tabled Obama's jobs bill? Hint: It ain't the teaparty.
As to the economy and Bernanke, same sh!t, different day. There isn't much to do except perhaps just leave things alone. When they keep tinkering with the economy, they remind me of a kid with a sore. As long as the kid keeps picking at the sore it will never heal.
As to the economy and Bernanke, same sh!t, different day. There isn't much to do except perhaps just leave things alone. When they keep tinkering with the economy, they remind me of a kid with a sore. As long as the kid keeps picking at the sore it will never heal.
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The recovery that was under way after Obama and the Democratic controlled congress put a bottom in Bush's recession came to a screeching halt after republicans took over congress. The no direction, no clue, no idea's, do nothing but whine republicans have killed all confidence Americans had in a recovery.
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It's time to recall Cantor, Boehner and McConnell. These do-nothings need to go. Let's put power back in the hands of the people, not self-serving politicians.
- 26 votes
Did we take his deposit on our White House and our plane? He really doesn't deserve a refund when he leaves in 2012.
And the answer is, "No." No, we never came out of the recession, so, how could we possibly have a second?
And the answer is, "No." No, we never came out of the recession, so, how could we possibly have a second?
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Until they start changing their tune towards companies making stuff over seas, nothing will change. If we start making it harder and more expensive to bring stuff into the US, do you think they'll say the heck with the US market, we'll just sell to the Chinese? I don't think so. America might be in trouble, but we're still a long way ahead of most of the planet. Most Chinese can't afford those smart phones and computers that they're bringing back into the US.
When they grow a pair and start to tax the rich and tariff incoming goods again, they'll find out the rich would rather invest in US businesses (US jobs, US equipment, US development, US research) than pay taxes. They are not going to abandon the US markets. Right now, they're on the take from all sides and it's killing us.
When they grow a pair and start to tax the rich and tariff incoming goods again, they'll find out the rich would rather invest in US businesses (US jobs, US equipment, US development, US research) than pay taxes. They are not going to abandon the US markets. Right now, they're on the take from all sides and it's killing us.
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Here we go again.....
Bernanke is saying something similiar to: "We need more Stimulus. We need to spend more. We want to bolster the economy. We need to reduce unemployment. We need to stabilize prices. We need to keep our interest rates at a moderate (oooops, nearly ZERO percent) level."
Yes, Mr. Bernanke....your QE $ 600,000,000,000 to jump start the economy, reduce unemployment, and stabilize prices FAILED....FAILED....FAILED......get it ?
Federal Reserve mandate:
Bottom line: Mr. Bernanke has no CLUE and is IN OVER HIS HEAD. Sounds like the person in the White House.
You.....are.....FIRED !!!
Bernanke is saying something similiar to: "We need more Stimulus. We need to spend more. We want to bolster the economy. We need to reduce unemployment. We need to stabilize prices. We need to keep our interest rates at a moderate (oooops, nearly ZERO percent) level."
Yes, Mr. Bernanke....your QE $ 600,000,000,000 to jump start the economy, reduce unemployment, and stabilize prices FAILED....FAILED....FAILED......get it ?
Federal Reserve mandate:
The Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System and the Federal Open Market Committee shall maintain long run growth of the monetary and credit aggregates commensurate with the economy's long run potential to increase production, so as to promote effectively the goals of maximum employment, stable prices, and moderate long-term interest rates.Well, Mr. Bernanke, you have FAILED THE LITMUS TEST for overseeing the Federal Reserve MANDATE.
http://www.federalreserve.gov/aboutthefed/section2a.htm
Bottom line: Mr. Bernanke has no CLUE and is IN OVER HIS HEAD. Sounds like the person in the White House.
You.....are.....FIRED !!!
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I guess that Hope and Change is working out real nice right about now. BHO had the control of all the spending bills for 2 years and look at where we are at now. Bush was no better. He wasn't a fiscal conservative either, he is a big Government Establishment politician as well. Until everyone realizes that we need to fire all of the Establishment politicians, Democrats and Republicans, we will keep going down the endless road of Big Government spending. Anyone who still blames Bush and Cheney needs to take the pacifier out of their mouth and grow up. These Establishment idiots in Washington are to blame and the American people as well for continually re-electing them.
- 13 votes
If every American taxpayer were to write his/her Representative and Senator imploring them to double our taxes, we can earn our way out of this mess in about 20 years. Are there 150 Million takers out there? Come on, let's get it done.
Congress will do it if we insist.
Congress will do it if we insist.
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Ido. I think you're wrong. I hated bailing out the corporations but I'm afraid it had to be done otherwise things wouldv'e probably been much worst. Right now the car manufacturers are doing better and thank God for that. There's plenty of blame to go round, though. Republicans didn't want oversite and regulation and that didn't help as wall street and other businesses showed how much integrity they don't have. Also, starting two wars that weren't necessary didn't help either. The blame for that lies with W and his administration. No doubt about it so live with it. The Democrats need to control costs but the unfortunate thing is we have to control the correct costs. Most of our costs are Social Secuirty, Medicare, and the Military. Most of everything else is small-fry. So all the politicians can see how they're going to cut costs. Good luck on that. Even if they do, then people will have less money to spend and more businesses won't be able to sell their products. AND no one has the answer to these problems, no one. Only possibility is to become isolationist and start making all products in the U.S.A. Then maybe there might be hope otherwise expect to see more and larger demonstrations like we're seeing now in Los Angeles and other places.
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mygirl
When they keep tinkering with the economy, they remind me of a kid with a sore. As long as the kid keeps picking at the sore it will never heal.
So true. Of course, in this case the kid believes he's much smarter than everyone else and even gangrene won't stop him from picking.
Also everyone railing against Bush are correct. He did ship jobs overseas. Just like Obama's job czar Jeff Imelt is doing in his partnership with CACC. Bush did start 2 wars wasting precious life and treasure. Obama only started 1. Of course he has no problem continuing Bush's 2. Bush also spent billions bailing out criminals that commited fraud against the American public. But so did Obama. And on top of the bankers fraud he added Solyndra. Bush appointed Ben Bernanke. So did Obama. Bush opened the flood gates to undocumented workers that not only drive down the prevailing wage in many industries but also take American jobs from Americans. Did Obama close those gates? Bush also sold guns to Mexican drug cartels which were used to kill to U.S. border agents. Oh wait....
Bush, Obama. What's the difference? The establishment knows the real fool is you.
When they keep tinkering with the economy, they remind me of a kid with a sore. As long as the kid keeps picking at the sore it will never heal.
So true. Of course, in this case the kid believes he's much smarter than everyone else and even gangrene won't stop him from picking.
Also everyone railing against Bush are correct. He did ship jobs overseas. Just like Obama's job czar Jeff Imelt is doing in his partnership with CACC. Bush did start 2 wars wasting precious life and treasure. Obama only started 1. Of course he has no problem continuing Bush's 2. Bush also spent billions bailing out criminals that commited fraud against the American public. But so did Obama. And on top of the bankers fraud he added Solyndra. Bush appointed Ben Bernanke. So did Obama. Bush opened the flood gates to undocumented workers that not only drive down the prevailing wage in many industries but also take American jobs from Americans. Did Obama close those gates? Bush also sold guns to Mexican drug cartels which were used to kill to U.S. border agents. Oh wait....
Bush, Obama. What's the difference? The establishment knows the real fool is you.
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I am NOT a conservative, but I am SICK AND TIRED of people blaming Bush for this. Bush is ONE MAN, ONE LEG of government. THEY ALL ARE RESPONSIBLE!!!! What regulations have been put into place to stop investment bankers from selling mortgage backed securities and derivatives again?? Its such a simplistic and moronic statement to just go "Its Obama's fault! It's Bush's fault!". NO, ITS ALL OF OUR FAULT!!!! People that bought homes they couldnt afford, we ALL KNOW AT LEAST SOMEONE that did this. My two brothers both filed BK, and when I look back they both bought homes they couldnt afford, and then took out lines of credit for hot tubs, vacations, cars... my best friend was a waiter making $30K a year, he bought a house even though he had horrible credit, took out a loan within a years time to pay for a ring, a wedding, and a honeymoon. They walked away from the house... THESE ARE THE PEOPLE TO BLAME, NOT BUSH, OR OBAMA!!! Seriously, can we just stop it???
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I'm sorry but W is to blame. He and his administration got us into a war. Republicans didn't want regulations and the mortgage companies ran with it. It all started on their watch. Remember the saying, the buck stops here. So live with it. If you can't, I suggest you go to another site.
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Yeah, there's blame enough to go around. But some deserve more blame than others.
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JoeCal
Republicans didn't want regulations and the mortgage companies ran with it.
Look up the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act repealing the Glass Steagall Act signed by Bill Clinton in '99. It's the precursor to the current mess. Perhaps you should take your own advise.
Republicans didn't want regulations and the mortgage companies ran with it.
Look up the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act repealing the Glass Steagall Act signed by Bill Clinton in '99. It's the precursor to the current mess. Perhaps you should take your own advise.
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Doesn't matter what caused it..WHO caused it was the body politic...time to remove the system in place and get a system that protects we the people vs tyranny.
Have to see how soon the money runs out supporting the socialist way of life...just like what is happening in Greece.
Have to see how soon the money runs out supporting the socialist way of life...just like what is happening in Greece.
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Gee, maybe those record numbers of new anti-business regulations pushed through by Obama (a record 81,000 pages in 2009 alone) weren't such a good idea after all.
You think??????????????.
"Let's see now - How do we blame it on the Republicans - Oh, that's right - the Democrats controlled everything the last two years - Oh yes, I have it - Blame Bush - they fall for that every time"
You think??????????????.
"Let's see now - How do we blame it on the Republicans - Oh, that's right - the Democrats controlled everything the last two years - Oh yes, I have it - Blame Bush - they fall for that every time"
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"Big companies have also figured out how to generate healthy profits without hiring more workers."
Translation - Obama has made it so expensive to hire new workers (because of all the new regulations) that companies have found ways to avoid the expense of new hires.
Translation - Obama has made it so expensive to hire new workers (because of all the new regulations) that companies have found ways to avoid the expense of new hires.
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They're all in cahoots..They have our money we don't, very simple math going on here.
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Roy Wilson, just where did you find the 81,000 pages of anti-business regulations? I can't seem to find it anywhere. You wouldn't be exaggerating would you?
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FactOfTheMatter "Stimulus was mostly used for tax cuts, a REPUBLICAN way of fixing the economy"
Nice try, but 'Stimulus' was passed by the Democrats with total opposition from the Republicans. In fact, Nancy Pelosi admitted she didn't care what the Republicans said, since when she was asked why the Republicans were excluded from the plan, she was quoted as saying "We Won".
The Democrats own it - lock, stock and barrel.
Nice try, but 'Stimulus' was passed by the Democrats with total opposition from the Republicans. In fact, Nancy Pelosi admitted she didn't care what the Republicans said, since when she was asked why the Republicans were excluded from the plan, she was quoted as saying "We Won".
The Democrats own it - lock, stock and barrel.
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itgranny "Roy Wilson, just where did you find the 81,000 pages of anti-business regulations? I can't seem to find it anywhere. You wouldn't be exaggerating would you?"
You must not have looked very hard. Here's a link showing 81,405 for 2010.
http://radioviceonline.com/obamas-regulation-czar/
You must not have looked very hard. Here's a link showing 81,405 for 2010.
http://radioviceonline.com/obamas-regulation-czar/
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The US was doing MUCH better while the DEMs held both houses.....Then came the Teabaggers. No, No, No, Me, Me, Me....
WHY would they want to do something to make Obama look good....Ahhh like passing legislation he wants? They just continue top block everything. If they really thought what Obama was going to do wouldn't work, WY NOT JUST LET HIM DO TI AND PROVE THAT....SEEMS THAT WOULD BE A BETTER STANCE THAN "NO" OR NORQUISTS PLEDGE TO NOT RAISE TAXES....
Obama has my support WAY beyond Any of these Bible thumping idiots I see the GOP coming up with. I thought McLame and Palin were bad....these guys (and girl) have them beat easily!!
4 more Years!!! 4 more Years!!! 4 more Years!!!
WHY would they want to do something to make Obama look good....Ahhh like passing legislation he wants? They just continue top block everything. If they really thought what Obama was going to do wouldn't work, WY NOT JUST LET HIM DO TI AND PROVE THAT....SEEMS THAT WOULD BE A BETTER STANCE THAN "NO" OR NORQUISTS PLEDGE TO NOT RAISE TAXES....
Obama has my support WAY beyond Any of these Bible thumping idiots I see the GOP coming up with. I thought McLame and Palin were bad....these guys (and girl) have them beat easily!!
4 more Years!!! 4 more Years!!! 4 more Years!!!
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I don't know how I could have missed it! The well-known site of radioviceonline.com (huh?), written by who other than "SoundOffSister" who doesn't give her name, saying "81,405 pages in the Federal Register, where new and proposed regulations are published."
You're trying to pass the National Register off as an official law book, rather than a what it really is... a journal.
You're trying to pass the National Register off as an official law book, rather than a what it really is... a journal.
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And obammy will continue to bail out these bankers. Continue to to blame Bush when the REAL PROBLEM is in the white house. Oh I forgot your expecting another few hundred bucks to cure all your needs with another failed stimulus. Get you head out and join the real world for a "change" and quit trying to live off the backs of the real Americans that do pay the 50% of the taxes. Worthless freeloaders do something for yourself and get some moral responsibility.
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Car...Besides being a racist pig as evidenced by your name calling of the current president, you are also obviously history challenged. In the last few months of Bush's term they spent $270,816,965,131 because he went to the congress frothing at the mouth saying the sky was going to fall unless we the tax payers bailed out the banks.
http://projects.propublica.org/bailout/main/timeline
http://projects.propublica.org/bailout/main/timeline
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Thank you for helping my intellect. Can you tell me where the solyndra money went??? Oh by the way how many poeple were MURDERED do to your presidents FAILURE "fast and furious". Keep drinking the toxic juice.
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Now I've truly heard everything....that a Eurozone banking crisis and the resulting and ensuing fallout is Obama's fault. Priceless!
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I guess you forgot about the part ITGranny where all of that money has been paid back. Can you say the same for the Gov. motors bailout? How many BILLIONS do they owe that Obama has written off because they are his union buddy's. And here we are with Obama and Bernake saying the exact thing you just railed against while foaming at the mouth, the sky is falling.
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It will take several years to recover from the Bush/Cheney Disaster of two wars and gross stupidity in economics.Well first off, we would need to STOP the "disaster of two wars and gross stupidity in economics" before we will have a chance in hell of recovering from it (not to mention the fact that it has ALREADY BEEN several years). ANYONE who blames Bush while supporting Obama OR blames Obama while supporting Bush is nothing more than a blind puppet. Bushes policies were terrible, Obama is Bush Jr on steroids and will make George Bush look like George Washington, by comparison, if he gets 4 more years.
The "hope" at this point is that the republican candidate will be so afraid of the backlash he'll get if he makes the same mistakes Bush did (gotta give the tea party credit here) that he'll move to the center and get government out of our faces. Obama has made it clear that he is going to double down holding a pair of 2's. We can all see where that's headed.
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I'm beginning to think that a good old Depression is what we need to wake people up. When everyone is out of work except for Wall Street, the rich, and the banks, enough people will finally understand the importance of doing something unthinkable. Taxing the rich. WWII helped us out a great deal, but it was all government jobs. With the exception of long term payments from lend-lease countries, we put our house in order by taxing the bejeebers out of everyone, especially the rich, who payed 90% taxes for many years. The crash may be needed. As long as we have some people that have some money that they aren't hording, we'll never get our house in order. Change the currency, revalue the dollar, clamp down on the market (again), and start over. I may be our last chance, and the failure is coming.
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Amazing how the economy is in terrible shape when Obama is demanding another HALF-TRILLION in spending but when he's not asking for money we are "in Recovery" and everything is fine.
Is Obama afraid to do his usual fear-mongoring during his campaigning so now he is having Bernake do it for him?
Is Obama afraid to do his usual fear-mongoring during his campaigning so now he is having Bernake do it for him?
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I love this:
Roy, let me ask you a question. If you are a business that does not need to hire workers, why in the Hell would you? How does making hiring cheaper impact the fact that you do not need more workers? Do you think that big companies are a philanthropy organization? Were they placed on this earth to fix the employment problem? The answer is no.
To put it in simple terms:
A business sells X amount of something. In order to break even, they need Y amount of workers to produce that amount of something. If they can produce at the same level and quality with Y-2, they just pulled a profit. If they decide to employ Y+2, they lose money. If the government gave you a tax break, would you hire Y+2 and lose money? No! If you did, you would not be in business very long.
Companies hire more workers because they need them. People aren't buying as much, companies aren't selling as much, and there is excess workforce capacity. Companies have right-sized their workforces to fit the current economic situation. When they sell more stuff and need more workers, then they will hire them.
For some reason, no one in Washington seems to understand simple math. Quit screwing with taxes and all that crap. Make American products more competitive around the world. Hell, make them more competitive in the US! I'm not saying we need to move back to total isolationism (I know someone was just waiting with that one). But we need to protect ourselves in the global marketplace.
I am not a big fan of the Chinese government and how they run things. But their economy is doing better than ours. Why? Because they take care of themselves first and the rest of the world second. I wish our government would put us first sometimes.
ROY WILSON-336103
"Big companies have also figured out how to generate healthy profits without hiring more workers."
Translation - Obama has made it so expensive to hire new workers (because of all the new regulations) that companies have found ways to avoid the expense of new hires.
Roy, let me ask you a question. If you are a business that does not need to hire workers, why in the Hell would you? How does making hiring cheaper impact the fact that you do not need more workers? Do you think that big companies are a philanthropy organization? Were they placed on this earth to fix the employment problem? The answer is no.
To put it in simple terms:
A business sells X amount of something. In order to break even, they need Y amount of workers to produce that amount of something. If they can produce at the same level and quality with Y-2, they just pulled a profit. If they decide to employ Y+2, they lose money. If the government gave you a tax break, would you hire Y+2 and lose money? No! If you did, you would not be in business very long.
Companies hire more workers because they need them. People aren't buying as much, companies aren't selling as much, and there is excess workforce capacity. Companies have right-sized their workforces to fit the current economic situation. When they sell more stuff and need more workers, then they will hire them.
For some reason, no one in Washington seems to understand simple math. Quit screwing with taxes and all that crap. Make American products more competitive around the world. Hell, make them more competitive in the US! I'm not saying we need to move back to total isolationism (I know someone was just waiting with that one). But we need to protect ourselves in the global marketplace.
I am not a big fan of the Chinese government and how they run things. But their economy is doing better than ours. Why? Because they take care of themselves first and the rest of the world second. I wish our government would put us first sometimes.
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Nice try, but 'Stimulus' was passed by the Democrats with total opposition from the Republicans.
You know how ridiculous it is to say that it only matters who does it and not what it is that is being done right? Most of the stimulus was tax cuts, like the number one thing that Republicans love.
Kind of like how the Republicans are always for things when they're the ones doing it but when someone else does the exact same thing it's somehow wrong. Like the HCR mandate, that was a Republican idea that they were for before they were against it.
Payroll tax cut, they were for it when GW Bush did it, but now they're against it because Obama is doing it. You guys are hypocrites. Obama could behave exactly like the Republicans and they'd vote against him just to make him look bad, like cutting off your nose to spite the face.
You know how ridiculous it is to say that it only matters who does it and not what it is that is being done right? Most of the stimulus was tax cuts, like the number one thing that Republicans love.
Kind of like how the Republicans are always for things when they're the ones doing it but when someone else does the exact same thing it's somehow wrong. Like the HCR mandate, that was a Republican idea that they were for before they were against it.
Payroll tax cut, they were for it when GW Bush did it, but now they're against it because Obama is doing it. You guys are hypocrites. Obama could behave exactly like the Republicans and they'd vote against him just to make him look bad, like cutting off your nose to spite the face.
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Amazing! If we don't help the small businessman, this country is
DONE...stick a fork in it. If Obama had gone to work....putting AMericans to work fixing our infrastructure, in the first two years of his presidency, things could have had a chance of being turned around. But, NO...he brought out that Obamacare crap that no one wants; no one. That's why he's finished. He's allowed the "crooks " from Goldman Sachs to run his administration, knowing that they're the very ones who kicked us into this abyss in the first place (Bernanke, Geitner etc). Just because Bush believed in them should not guarantee them a stamp of approval from our current president. GS is still handing out billions in bonuses, while the country slides farther and farther DOWN. Unbelievable! It seems that no one will hold them accountable; no one. I didn't live during the Great Depression but my parents did, and this is going to be a replay of thos horrible times.
#1.51 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 11:33 PM EDTDONE...stick a fork in it. If Obama had gone to work....putting AMericans to work fixing our infrastructure, in the first two years of his presidency, things could have had a chance of being turned around. But, NO...he brought out that Obamacare crap that no one wants; no one. That's why he's finished. He's allowed the "crooks " from Goldman Sachs to run his administration, knowing that they're the very ones who kicked us into this abyss in the first place (Bernanke, Geitner etc). Just because Bush believed in them should not guarantee them a stamp of approval from our current president. GS is still handing out billions in bonuses, while the country slides farther and farther DOWN. Unbelievable! It seems that no one will hold them accountable; no one. I didn't live during the Great Depression but my parents did, and this is going to be a replay of thos horrible times.
wise 911967, and the republicans continue to want less regulation. and no matter what you say, and i see you avoided it, but the republicans started the war, on false evidence. They're to blame. no doubt about it. billions down the tubes for nothing.
#1.52 - Thu Oct 6, 2011 12:25 AM EDTroy wilson, corporate america is sitting on billions of dollars of cash. they have the hightest cash inventory ever. And, they're not hiring. kinda shoots the republican theory to hell that higher profits would lead to jobs.
#1.53 - Thu Oct 6, 2011 12:28 AM EDTadvertisement
This is certainly just another nail in Obama's efforts to be re-elected on 11/6/12 and Obama already knows it.......The Republican nominee will undoubtedly be our next President on 11/6/12!
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ah, no. The next president, if it isn't obama, will take office on Jan. 20 2013.
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He'll get re-elected if the Repubs field a creationist or some other religious zealot. The founders of this country and most of us know a mix of church and state leads to trouble. It will never fly.
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Obama is toast on 11/6/12.......read a poll....any poll......then read it again next month......it will be WORSE!
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monkeymonkey
ah, no. The next president, if it isn't obama, will take office on Jan. 20 2013.Monkey - you need to understand that although on "paper" you are right (although clearly you are left) that the siting President is done the day of the election (unless it is him).
The whole governmental structure immediately gears to the elected President including briefs that are "eyes only" for only the legal in place president.
Yes BHO is gone on 11/6/2012
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And what will a Republican president do to bring the economy back to life? Tax cuts for companies that are sitting on 2 trillion dollars of cash? I'm sure they need more cash. Or maybe they'll balance the budget by cutting 1 trillion from Medicare or Social Security. That should work. Rick Perry's Texas miracle would have us all flipping burgers at burger king. Mitt Romney's approach would be to deregulate the banks and dismantle health care. That's a great solution. I would love to hear one of you lame brain Republicans explain to me how Rick Perry or Mitt Romney or any Republican approach will bring this economy to life. Obama's approach is miserable not because he's too much of a liberal. He's too much of a Republican if anything, coddling Wall Street and the rich while the Congress does all the heavy lifting.
- 33 votes
If what you say is true and we have a Republican as president, you can wave goodbye to the middle class, social security, medicare and life as we have known it in the past. Brush up on your Charles Dickens' novels, my friend.
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James:
Anything government does to encourage consumption will simply delay any recovery.
The only cure for a "borrowing orgy" hangover: Stop buying for a while and suck it up.
And what will a Republican president do to bring the economy back to life?Pretty close to nothing. What people don't understand is the state of the over-mortgaged American consumer: they have no money.
Anything government does to encourage consumption will simply delay any recovery.
The only cure for a "borrowing orgy" hangover: Stop buying for a while and suck it up.
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No.. nobody wants any of those right wing religious whackos... Obama is assured another term.
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On what basis are you stating that a Republican candidate for the Office of the President of the White House would improve anything? I have not seen nor heard anything, repeat, anything that leads me to believe that the Republicans have anyone who has any answers to the problems that confront this country. I believe that the Republican party represents a status quo agenda that includes the few and ignores the many. The concept of doing "nothing" is doing something is wrong. Keeping that "exceptionalism" as our guiding light also means that we are self deceiving. Compromise and only compromise would have attempted to address those very long coming problems. Alas, compromise was not on offer. The "take the country back" movement is also self defeating as it is a slogan without any viable means of a serious foundation. You don't have a job because we don't need the excess costs of hiring you. We have seen business operate without the need of more staff when the present staff will suffice albeit with more working hours. I believe minimum wage will be the normal wage. The top end will do very well. The middle not so well and those at the lower end don't really matter.
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Yeah, I gotta say, I want Obama out of office as much as any other intelligent person...but really, who are we gonna elect? Perry? Romney? Bachmann? Right now or political options are either 4 more years of Dopey or replace Sleepy, Sneezy, or Sleazy...Frankly, I think I'm sitting this one out....I don't want to be to blame for putting anyone of those idiots in office.
Ron Paul, without a doubt, has the best economic policy, just not too sure about his foreign policy.
As for his comments about the murder of a U.S. Citizen by a U.S. President...well, frankly, I'm kind of happy that disturbs him...at least a little.
Ron Paul, without a doubt, has the best economic policy, just not too sure about his foreign policy.
As for his comments about the murder of a U.S. Citizen by a U.S. President...well, frankly, I'm kind of happy that disturbs him...at least a little.
- 10 votes
If that happens, we are toast!
#2.11 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 6:40 PM EDTWe really need to elect a Republican president and Congress, who can then dramatically cut federal spending and plunge us into an even worse recession than the one that just ended. But they need to make sure to keep those tax cuts in place, so the wealthiest 1% of Americans can maintain their lifestyles.
It's time for conservatives to finish off what's left of the middle class. If enough of the 99 percenters are foolish enough to vote for their own demise, then they deserve it. Just ask Ayn Rand.
It's time for conservatives to finish off what's left of the middle class. If enough of the 99 percenters are foolish enough to vote for their own demise, then they deserve it. Just ask Ayn Rand.
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"No.. nobody wants any of those right wing religious whackos... Obama is assured another term.
And he has done what that would assure him another term? Talked a good talk? And the results of that is? Yeah, we sure can use more of that, can't we?
I don't give a flying crap for either party, because one party goes to extremes to get us into one hell of a mess, the other party goes to extremes to get us out of that mess, and makes it worse by spending ourselves into oblivion. Both sides are nothing but wackos who couldn't be trusted to oversee a childs 10 dollar savings account without screwing it up.
And he has done what that would assure him another term? Talked a good talk? And the results of that is? Yeah, we sure can use more of that, can't we?
I don't give a flying crap for either party, because one party goes to extremes to get us into one hell of a mess, the other party goes to extremes to get us out of that mess, and makes it worse by spending ourselves into oblivion. Both sides are nothing but wackos who couldn't be trusted to oversee a childs 10 dollar savings account without screwing it up.
- 11 votes
the whole reason for the protests on wall street is that neither party represent the majority of us.they represent only the rich of differing views.democracy isnt working and it wont until we figure a way to keep big money for owning the government
- 13 votes
the idiots will only consider the corporately backed politicians like obama and perry... the two bought and paid for by the rich for the rich....plain bob 2012...
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Ron Paul is the only choice in 2012. if you do not vote Paul you are supporting the system in place.
- 3 votes
I think I should change my affiliation as all these libs are definitely making more than I am. What do I have to do to get some aclu and welfare backing???
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car, just go tell a lib that you have pictures of them with names and dates, and then you can set the price you want.
- 1 vote
You have know idea of what I have and the hearings a only a week away.
#2.19 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 12:36 AM EDTRon Paul, without a doubt, has the best economic policy, just not too sure about his foreign policy.
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Like getting the troops home from fighting un-ending wars all over the world for no f-n good reason? This alone would end the terrorist threat and save billions. Those 'evil doers' would have no reason to attack the US anymore.
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Like getting the troops home from fighting un-ending wars all over the world for no f-n good reason? This alone would end the terrorist threat and save billions. Those 'evil doers' would have no reason to attack the US anymore.
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The sky is falling! The sky is falling! Every week is a different verdit. Last week it was good news that unemployment filings were down and the dpi was up higher than they thought. Now they are saying possible double dip or recession. Why don't you just admit that NOBODY knows what is going to happen!???!!!!!! The bankers, the economists, the investors, the Republicans or the Democrats -- NOBODY!!! But you gotta have something to print, right???!!!!!
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deb-oh-rah: Doom and gloom, that what sells news and lets scarce the heck out of everyone. People will remember that story but not the twenty or so stories that reads the housing market is up in most states, unemployment files are down and people are spending money on new cars. So let find out what is all bad about this!
As I drive around it sure doesn't seem like anyone is cutting back, traffic is heavy near shopping malls, cruises are all booked up, at least for the balcony cabins, many stores are out of stock on advertized items but what is really killing everyone is the food prices. They are getting out of site but lets blame it on the drought and high fuel prices, but the super markets are crowed as ever. I guess everyone has to eat. So eat this everyone, doom and gloom, its what sells.
As I drive around it sure doesn't seem like anyone is cutting back, traffic is heavy near shopping malls, cruises are all booked up, at least for the balcony cabins, many stores are out of stock on advertized items but what is really killing everyone is the food prices. They are getting out of site but lets blame it on the drought and high fuel prices, but the super markets are crowed as ever. I guess everyone has to eat. So eat this everyone, doom and gloom, its what sells.
- 5 votes
Well put! No one really does know what is going to happen next
- 1 vote
more debt more wasted spending...the rich getting richer the country going to pot...the illegal's occupy this county in droves to lower the standard of living and robbing the system...while the politicians put this country further in debt...so they can have vacation's...pretty much what's going to happen...people better wake up...and vote for...plain bob 2012...
- 1 vote
They will do anything or nothing at all to talk about the trade deficits with China.Let's face it,China owns us,lock,stock and politicians.Why do we let ANOTHER COUNTRY HAVE OUR PERFECTLY GOOD MANUFACTURING JOBS,AND ALL OUR MONEY TO CREATE A BETTER WAR MACHINE? Remember,they are called Communist China for a reason,and that's not a joke.
#3.4 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 10:52 PM EDTCut spending by the gov. will increase disposable income for spending which creates more jobs! The government soaks up income and wastes it. Obama is Jimmy Carter. NO MO OBAMA.
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Problem is that the HUGE PAC contributions prevent the type of cost cutting needed, with every Congress person and Senator stonewalling everyhting for their pet projects...paid for by the PAC contributions in their pockets.
The money that IS being spent is-being spent on things that only continue to drain the coffers...the copse of the two wars alone is astronomical.
Or, continuing to led the banks money at 0% interest...so they can borrow and hoard or use for their own self profit...while those who have no jobs have to pay prime...even if they can get a loan.
The spending in itself is a problem..but the major problem is that the lions share is not being spent on anyhting that would grow the economy for any sector other than Wall Street. How else do you explain a DOW that fluctuates bet wen 10 and 12K while the economy is in the toilet?
The money that IS being spent is-being spent on things that only continue to drain the coffers...the copse of the two wars alone is astronomical.
Or, continuing to led the banks money at 0% interest...so they can borrow and hoard or use for their own self profit...while those who have no jobs have to pay prime...even if they can get a loan.
The spending in itself is a problem..but the major problem is that the lions share is not being spent on anyhting that would grow the economy for any sector other than Wall Street. How else do you explain a DOW that fluctuates bet wen 10 and 12K while the economy is in the toilet?
- 9 votes
Edwardo-1001200 - you are either wealthy, stupid, or just don't give a sh*t about anyone but yourself. Yeah, just see where cutting spending has gotten us. We need JOBS. And if you don't know by now that all the trickle down theory means is that the rich eat the best food and then poop on the middle class and drink the best booze and then pee on those they think are beneath them, you are pathetic.
- 17 votes
kk, may need to add another k to your handle with all the anger you are spewing, what is your problem. wishing you could post without the hate, maybe I am dreaming.........
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edwardo: Message for you: recalculating, recalculating....you are off track and might want to do some recalculating!
- 5 votes
If you want a good visual of trickle down economics imagine a two story outhouse.
- 8 votes
While corporations hoard the money and not hire, and the rest of the American people scrape to get food on the table.
- 5 votes
kathy kramer - We cut spending? You mean that $38 billion off of the FY2011 budget? From what I understand $26 billion of those cuts were really nothing but not spending on new programs. Nice touch by obama and company for agreeing to a smoke and mirrors approach to cuts.
Lets cut discretionary spending accross the board, Shared sacrifice by all. You know, discretionary spending as in optional spending as in non-entitlement spending.
Lets cut discretionary spending accross the board, Shared sacrifice by all. You know, discretionary spending as in optional spending as in non-entitlement spending.
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Force our public owned corporations to pay our minimum wages wherever they go. This will bring back jobs and show a little respect for labor.
Make all home loans direct for a low interest. this would cut house notes by half or more and leave trillions in the hands of our people instead of thieving banks. Why should anyone pay a bank 600k for a 200k house when the tax payer backs the loan.
Our big banks with trillions in assets have been getting billions in 0% loans to play the market. Insane, how can we afford this gigantic welfare for the rich? The lowlife pigs have been driving up the price of gas and food by manipulating the commodities market. They use our own money to rape us and nothing is done to stop them.
A 1/2% charge on all derivative, stock and commodities trades would put us in surplus and affect mostly giant day traders and money manipulators. yjese are the very people that are taking mountains and producing nothing.
It has become obvious that both parties are owned. So, mass protest and force from the people may be our only hope to avoid depression and chaos.
Make all home loans direct for a low interest. this would cut house notes by half or more and leave trillions in the hands of our people instead of thieving banks. Why should anyone pay a bank 600k for a 200k house when the tax payer backs the loan.
Our big banks with trillions in assets have been getting billions in 0% loans to play the market. Insane, how can we afford this gigantic welfare for the rich? The lowlife pigs have been driving up the price of gas and food by manipulating the commodities market. They use our own money to rape us and nothing is done to stop them.
A 1/2% charge on all derivative, stock and commodities trades would put us in surplus and affect mostly giant day traders and money manipulators. yjese are the very people that are taking mountains and producing nothing.
It has become obvious that both parties are owned. So, mass protest and force from the people may be our only hope to avoid depression and chaos.
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#4.10 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 12:51 AM EDTThere are two big protests coming up this weekend. I think we all need to join in. When our country was in trouble 250 years ago, our ancestors stood up to be counted. Why can't we?
#4.11 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 11:47 PM EDTadvertisement
Food prices have gone up 60+% since the recession began, BS that it ever ended). What in the world are our leaders thinking (or do they?). We are in Depression, not Recession! If we don't Impeach these IDIOTS immediately and get some brains in there we're done for, we can't wait until 2013.
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Food up 60%??? Don't know what food you have been buying...but let me suggest you change your diet.
- 7 votes
Bob,
Are you joking, food going up 60%? Are you sure you weren't reading your IQ score?
Are you joking, food going up 60%? Are you sure you weren't reading your IQ score?
- 4 votes
Our leaders are not stupid or ignorant. They have joined with the greed and evil that is destroying our country. The pigs: Banks, wall street and big cirporations all love slave labor, their government helps them in every way to outsource. They know exactly what they want. "EVERYTHING"
We will stand against this insane greed or America will be destroyed. Millions in the streets may be our only hope.
We will stand against this insane greed or America will be destroyed. Millions in the streets may be our only hope.
- 2 votes
It is time for all of us that our proud of our country to take it back from the crooked Corporations and the politicians that they have bought.
We need leaders who are honest, intelligent and care about the people that elected them. We all need to band together, right, left, the tea party and everyone else and demand that they are doing the work for the best of our country.
We have to spend more of our resources to catch and prosecute all of the crooks on Wall Street, Washington and hold all of our leader accountable. If a politician is caught taking a bribe then they should be jailed for a decade along with the person handing our the bribe.
We need leaders who are honest, intelligent and care about the people that elected them. We all need to band together, right, left, the tea party and everyone else and demand that they are doing the work for the best of our country.
We have to spend more of our resources to catch and prosecute all of the crooks on Wall Street, Washington and hold all of our leader accountable. If a politician is caught taking a bribe then they should be jailed for a decade along with the person handing our the bribe.
- 3 votes
Here is what we need to do:
getmoneyout.com
Believe it or not, there is one common thread on both sides of the political debate and that is we all oppose special interests’ influence on politics and policy decisions. Democrats, Republicans, Tea Partiers, Libertarians, right-wing, left-wing, liberals, conservatives, you name it – they all agree on this one issue. Imagine that!
Do something about it. Go to: getmoneyout.com and sign the petition then pass it along. Be a part of the solution by working to ban all political contributions, whether from corporations, political pacs or individuals.
All of us, no matter what our affiliation, need to take back our government.
getmoneyout.com
Believe it or not, there is one common thread on both sides of the political debate and that is we all oppose special interests’ influence on politics and policy decisions. Democrats, Republicans, Tea Partiers, Libertarians, right-wing, left-wing, liberals, conservatives, you name it – they all agree on this one issue. Imagine that!
Do something about it. Go to: getmoneyout.com and sign the petition then pass it along. Be a part of the solution by working to ban all political contributions, whether from corporations, political pacs or individuals.
All of us, no matter what our affiliation, need to take back our government.
- 2 votes
12-21-2012. No more worries.
- 3 votes
12-21-2012. No more worriesReally? You have some sort of miracle you're going to pull out your azz?
You're probably one of those who believe it's all President Obama's fault, and by just getting him out of office, everything is going to be peachy. You believe all the foreclosed homes people lost, are going to bounce right back into their lives, all the jobs lost are going to be given back all because you MIGHT have a white, republican President on 12/22/12?
What we are going through now, started when Cheney, and Bush, illegally invaded Iraq after the false flag operation of 09-11-01. This is a manufactured, American financial meltdown, brought on by "certain" big corporations, to drive other corporations, and in essence, massive amounts of Americans out of work , and it did not start on Obama's watch.
In October last year, your republicans on capitol hill threatened to bring government to a stand-still, if Obama did not extend the Bush tax cuts, they also PROMISED their buddies in the big business world would create jobs if that tax cut was extended. Where are the jobs from their big business buddies?
A bumper sticker I saw recently...
REPUBLICANS 2012
Keeping Millions Out Of Work
to Put One Man Out Of A Job
- 13 votes
I, ah, I think he was referring to the coming apocalypse, so to speak. The election would be in November. I'm glad you were looking for the slightest opportunity to let off a broadside of rhetoric, though...
- 11 votes
I stand corrected. Rhetoric? Of course in my defense, it woud be defined as:
rhet·o·ric [réttÉ™rik]
n
1. persuasive speech or writing: speech or writing that communicates its point persuasively.
rhet·o·ric [réttÉ™rik]
n
1. persuasive speech or writing: speech or writing that communicates its point persuasively.
- 4 votes
A bumper sticker I saw recently: Obama isn't working and neither are we!
or my favorite: The O must go!
or my favorite: The O must go!
- 15 votes
Here's one; "trickle down leaves a mess at the bottom of the steps".
#6.6 - Wed Oct 5, 2011 1:00 PM EDTadvertisement
Amazing..an article of such doom and gloom and the market rallies.absolutely laughable.....................
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And very telling as well. Easy to see where all of the wealth is contained....in con games that result in false profit.
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OMG I can't TAKE it any more! Do you guys who are screaming that the repubs are protecting the wealthy really not see that odds are, YOU are one of those wealthy. If you are in a 401k or other investment plan, all this attacking the "wealthy" only attacks your retirement! You lose. And my mom, and your neighbor....anyone in one of the above plans. So while we are busy figuring out a way to fight Wall Street and all their "richness," basking in the markets tanking because all those FAT CATS are making all that money, take just a sec and open your 401k statement and see just how far in the tank it went.
Yeah, thats it. Let em have it. Then when you notice your 401k tanked, don't whine. You got EXACTLY what you asked for. You punished "the rich!"
Yeah, thats it. Let em have it. Then when you notice your 401k tanked, don't whine. You got EXACTLY what you asked for. You punished "the rich!"
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HDawg; In the one year I know about the Saudi royal family made 250 billion on our rigged market while 401 ks were tanking. You sound like you have no idea where the money is or how corrupt our financial and corporate system is. In case you don't know they are a disgrace to America and the human race. There is nothing they won't do and that includes working children for 12 cents and hour while they get many millions.
- 1 vote
if we can just get rid of the "roiling globlam financial markets" maybe the global financial market can take off.
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Forget the R word...we are headed for the D word. There never was a recovery for any entity other than Wall Street...which happened on the taxpayer dime..leaving most of the nation with next to none with which to grow the economy, as they continue to parlay their ill gotten gains via con games into bigger and bigger bucks.
Short of forcing WS to pay back all of the wealth they destroyed that resulted in their huge gains, no ONE person...as in President...will be able to fix the massive problems that we have.
DC has created a monster, deregulating the finance sector at every turn, and earned huge PAC contributions in return. Now they are reaping what they have sown...economic collapse as opposed to healthy economic prosperity.
Anyone who actually believes otherwise must still believe in Santa and the tooth fairy.
Short of forcing WS to pay back all of the wealth they destroyed that resulted in their huge gains, no ONE person...as in President...will be able to fix the massive problems that we have.
DC has created a monster, deregulating the finance sector at every turn, and earned huge PAC contributions in return. Now they are reaping what they have sown...economic collapse as opposed to healthy economic prosperity.
Anyone who actually believes otherwise must still believe in Santa and the tooth fairy.
- 11 votes
Thank God you didn't call out professional wrestling as well.
- 1 vote
I think if we would have used the $800 billion during the first stimulus we could have paid off 80% of the mortgages in the country helping both the banks and the little guy. That would have been real stimulus.
- 6 votes
No, not really, once you got the money from the government, you'd be considered "rich" and they'd just tax it right back.
- 4 votes
We may b asking professional wrestlers and sports players for some of their salaries..
#9.4 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 7:04 PM EDTIts stories like this one that stop people from spending and bring the economy down. Why does our economy depend on wall street, its a crap shoot at best.
#10 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 4:23 PM EDTWell at least you admit they are shooting crap when Helicopter Ben gives away your granchildrens tax money to big business so they can party some more while your people are living on the streets. Like France I can hear those words "the people have no bread"- reply from Ben"let them eat cake" while he sips his chardonnay. Your people are waking up I can smell revolution the signs are the same as France, Russia you name it when those in power party those suffering take up their pitch forks. So don't worry about the economy worry about your people that is what the people in power should be doing!
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Great, I sure hope you're wrong Nick, because the last thing I want for this country is for it to turn into France. Just take a look at what socialism got them. =(
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When was the last time you were in France? A great public transportation system, free medical care, free or very low cost education, clean cities, incredible cultural events.
Yeah, can't take that....Imagine!!
Yeah, can't take that....Imagine!!
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Ferro, when was the last time you looked at France's balance sheet? They're hot on the heels of Italy, Ireland and Spain. Socialism is great until other peoples' money runs out.
- 2 votes
I repeat myself.
#10.5 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 8:43 PM EDTFrance with all their problems is a great place to live, one of the best in the world. They have better benefits, better wages, full health care and a higher standard of living than the US.
France like most of the better run countries uses a mixed system. They have not traped themselves with the insane idea that some economic system is sacred.
France like most of the better run countries uses a mixed system. They have not traped themselves with the insane idea that some economic system is sacred.
- 3 votes
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A perfect storm of eventsYea, let me help you out here. It's called corrupt republican, mostly, but democratic politicians also, along with their corrupt lobbyist companions, that are strangling America to death, all for the greed of businesses, and corporations that they all work for, because they surely don't work for those that put them in office.
- 5 votes
Why doesn't the Fed come out and say it! Obama and his super-majority screwed America! Incompetence cannot be overcome! It is time for Obama to resign along with Biden, Pelosi, and Reid. The three stooges have destroyed the economy! The Chicago Way has taken the US to the economic state of Chicago and Illinois - BANKRUPT! When you elect a Chicago Democrat, you get incompetence and corruption - the Chicago Way!
- 7 votes
ChicagoK; Have you fallen and hit you head? You stooges would be in very big trouble were it not for Biden, Pelosi and Reid trying to save you. Oh well, go ahead a drown!
- 1 vote
Because they did'nt it was completely due to the party that held power before,the great King GeorgeW who I am sure you worship..cannot do any wrong Bush...ya right,he's kickin back at his ranch with his Dad,laughing his arse off at all of you...Here's my middle finger to them..
- 2 votes
Sandy
From what I've seen (or haven't seen) Reid has tabled every single bill that doesn't meet with HIS agenda the House has passed since January. And plese,, please please, please tell me what the stooges Biden and Pelosi and done to "SAVE" us. OMG please give me instances, ANYTHING SUBSTANCIAL indicating that they have "helped" us and I will promise to wave my donkey flag outside my home........ All Piglosi can say are slurs about anyone who doesn't agreee with her. And I'm surprised Biden doesn't have hoof and mouth disease.
From what I've seen (or haven't seen) Reid has tabled every single bill that doesn't meet with HIS agenda the House has passed since January. And plese,, please please, please tell me what the stooges Biden and Pelosi and done to "SAVE" us. OMG please give me instances, ANYTHING SUBSTANCIAL indicating that they have "helped" us and I will promise to wave my donkey flag outside my home........ All Piglosi can say are slurs about anyone who doesn't agreee with her. And I'm surprised Biden doesn't have hoof and mouth disease.
- 3 votes
Just in Sandy...from c-span. Mr. Reid refused to take another vote on the jobs bill that sits in the Senate. Reason was "there are more important things on the agenda today" .....btw..... that translates into "we don't have enough votes to kill it today so we'll put it off."
Now what could be more important than jobs, Sandy, that YOUR man wants to save us from. Jobs, Sandy...the House bill continues to sit there in the Senate.....just because it doesn't meet Reid's agenda..... Now just who is the party of no.....from what I see the media doesn't report everything to you or you have tunnel vision.....or you don't do much due dilligence beyond the dems talking points.
Now what could be more important than jobs, Sandy, that YOUR man wants to save us from. Jobs, Sandy...the House bill continues to sit there in the Senate.....just because it doesn't meet Reid's agenda..... Now just who is the party of no.....from what I see the media doesn't report everything to you or you have tunnel vision.....or you don't do much due dilligence beyond the dems talking points.
- 4 votes
The only jobs bill the republicans have proposed is to give whats left of the country to the rich and let them trickle on us. That might increase the sale of life jackets.
They even killed a bill to stop tax breaks for companies outsourcing for slave labor. There maybe no more than 90 democrats that try to serve the people. There may be three or four republicans that aren't owned.
We are in bad need of a government.
#12.5 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 11:21 PM EDTThey even killed a bill to stop tax breaks for companies outsourcing for slave labor. There maybe no more than 90 democrats that try to serve the people. There may be three or four republicans that aren't owned.
We are in bad need of a government.
Amazing how the economy is in terrible shape when Obama is demanding another HALF-TRILLION in spending but when he's not asking for money we are "in Recovery" and everything is fine.
Is Obama afraid to do his usual fear-mongoring during his campaigning so now he is having Bernake do it for him?
Is Obama afraid to do his usual fear-mongoring during his campaigning so now he is having Bernake do it for him?
- 1 vote
We are never going to get out of this until we work together. Unfortunately, we have the most divisive president in history that just wants to incite class warfare instead of figuring out ways to work together.
He has created an environment that now thousands of people are taking to the streets in protest (just like Greece) against the banks, etc. Well, guess what, Bank of America is laying off 30,000 and is close to bankruptcy. They deserve no more help, but driving them to bankruptcy does no one anygood. Yet, the Democrats and unions think this is a successful economic model, to attack business til it fails. Great work!
He has created an environment that now thousands of people are taking to the streets in protest (just like Greece) against the banks, etc. Well, guess what, Bank of America is laying off 30,000 and is close to bankruptcy. They deserve no more help, but driving them to bankruptcy does no one anygood. Yet, the Democrats and unions think this is a successful economic model, to attack business til it fails. Great work!
- 2 votes
Uh, no businesses are being attacked. And if there is a fault to Obama, it is his attempt TO WORK With recalcitrant Republicans, Party of NO, My Way or the Highway, Fail Obama even if the Country Fails, Elect me for Jobs,but I really Have no Idea how to produce them...
Your party has become a joke, highjacked by a bunch of brainless selfish manipulative ... And if you are one of them, who do you think you are working for?
Working together is a two way street and not a short and a long street.Obama takes the High Road, you take the low road, and no one works together. But that's the way your type wants it, that's what you are getting. So don't blame me. I wanted diverse souls to work together to find solutions, not just for the sake of working together. Well never see that if you have your way.
Your party has become a joke, highjacked by a bunch of brainless selfish manipulative ... And if you are one of them, who do you think you are working for?
Working together is a two way street and not a short and a long street.Obama takes the High Road, you take the low road, and no one works together. But that's the way your type wants it, that's what you are getting. So don't blame me. I wanted diverse souls to work together to find solutions, not just for the sake of working together. Well never see that if you have your way.
- 8 votes
In a way it is the Republicans who are using a nasty form of discrimination(a ord I have not used in awhile);the English were famous for it,it's called 'leading the object of your hate down a primrose path..'and it is amazing how we as Americans stand back and watch it happen without saying a word..
- 2 votes
BOA is being driven into bankruptcy Jonathon???? How much are they paying you to tell us that crappola?
#13.3 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 11:07 PM EDTadvertisement
Technology is killing us, simple as that. It is creating a shift in how we do business and how many workers we need to conduct that business. It's not that companies can't hire - it's that they don't need to hire. A week or so ago there was the reporting on the "FedEx Effect" and how FedEx's downward outlook was seen as reduced economic activity. FedEx's downturn is not as much a broad indicator of reduced economic activity in the general sense as much as it reflects the reduced need for the services of a company like FedEx. Hell, my monthly FedEx bill is less than half of what it used to be just a couple of years ago - why pay $200 to overnight a large document to a client when I can drop it on an .ftp site for them to download? As things go digital, things get easier - that's great! As things go digital, things get cheaper - that's great! As things go digital, I don't need as many employees, and I expect some day many of my clients won't need me either - not so great.
Once everything is able to be done with a keystroke and the push of a button, you don't need but so many people to accomplish that task. Is this a good thing? Maybe in some other kind of economy, but not in the one we have at the moment.
Once everything is able to be done with a keystroke and the push of a button, you don't need but so many people to accomplish that task. Is this a good thing? Maybe in some other kind of economy, but not in the one we have at the moment.
- 4 votes
So,then ex-employees will soon need to learn 'flexibility',and I am sure my Republican counterparts know all about what 'flexibility' is...scrubbin toilets or go look for a job in your field overseas..
#14.1 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 7:13 PM EDTYou Republicans are special. You hand us this terrible recession and unemployment, then make sure that Obama can't lead a recovery so his Presidency will fail, then you get control of the House with promises to produce jobs, and where are the Jobs?
Oh yeah, your solution, continue redistribution of wealth to the richest Americans, who, like myself, are doing quite well thank you, so they, we, can have bigger and better foreign toys, cut Medicare, education and other programs for the poor and MC and yet not repair a street, failing bridge, support development of alternative energy sources and deny Global Warming, etc. And, of course, let's gut regulations because business people are so honest and caring, just like stellar politicians. Hear that Perry, Bachman, and the rest of that list. I just can't wait until we get another Republican President, Apparently neither can the smart Republicans since none has entered the race. They know it won't happen. Only you fools are misled.
You are the biggest fools ever. This generation of fools will go down in history as the first generation of the decline of the US. Feel proud!
Oh yeah, your solution, continue redistribution of wealth to the richest Americans, who, like myself, are doing quite well thank you, so they, we, can have bigger and better foreign toys, cut Medicare, education and other programs for the poor and MC and yet not repair a street, failing bridge, support development of alternative energy sources and deny Global Warming, etc. And, of course, let's gut regulations because business people are so honest and caring, just like stellar politicians. Hear that Perry, Bachman, and the rest of that list. I just can't wait until we get another Republican President, Apparently neither can the smart Republicans since none has entered the race. They know it won't happen. Only you fools are misled.
You are the biggest fools ever. This generation of fools will go down in history as the first generation of the decline of the US. Feel proud!
- 5 votes
When Obama was elected, he had a democratic house and senate for the first half of his presidency. You can't get around that, David. But you try to do so by blaming the party that has controlled 33% of the equation for almost two years instead of the party that controlled 100% for two years. If you want to get angry, I'd think that ought to be reserved for the two years the democrats controlled the house, senate and presidency and did not do whatever it is you think they should have done.
Our only hope is that Obama starts recognizing himself for the centrist I think he really is at heart (face it - when you do a good job of pissing off both ultra liberals and ultra conservatives, you're probably closer to a centrist minded individual than you think), and starts telling both parties to shove it where the sun don't shine.
Hell, I'd vote for a guy that did that.
Our only hope is that Obama starts recognizing himself for the centrist I think he really is at heart (face it - when you do a good job of pissing off both ultra liberals and ultra conservatives, you're probably closer to a centrist minded individual than you think), and starts telling both parties to shove it where the sun don't shine.
Hell, I'd vote for a guy that did that.
- 4 votes
Elvoid,
Actually, the Democrats got a fair amount accomplished, but certainly not as much as I would have liked. AndI agree thatDemocrats as well don't have all the answers.
But 2 comments: The Democrats and the President inherited the worse Recession in 50 years. Two years is not enough time to fix it. Also, any emergency methods to deal with it were watered down by Republicans and Conservative Democrats, Republicans in sheep's clothing. If I have a problem with Democrats, it's that they don't give one an alternative to Republican Conservatism. The tent is too big. We know where Republicans stand, even if it's anti progress, Christian centric, corporate greed, anti taxation, even when taxation is needed, pro oil, GW denial, etc, etc.
Really, I doesn't matter. There have been few times when American has been united in it's history, and most of the time that has been because of tragedy. One would think this recession is tragic, but all we and our elected officials can do is point fingers. And that's because it isn't about fixing problems, it's about getting elected and reelected, to get rich and stay rich.
Actually, the Democrats got a fair amount accomplished, but certainly not as much as I would have liked. AndI agree thatDemocrats as well don't have all the answers.
But 2 comments: The Democrats and the President inherited the worse Recession in 50 years. Two years is not enough time to fix it. Also, any emergency methods to deal with it were watered down by Republicans and Conservative Democrats, Republicans in sheep's clothing. If I have a problem with Democrats, it's that they don't give one an alternative to Republican Conservatism. The tent is too big. We know where Republicans stand, even if it's anti progress, Christian centric, corporate greed, anti taxation, even when taxation is needed, pro oil, GW denial, etc, etc.
Really, I doesn't matter. There have been few times when American has been united in it's history, and most of the time that has been because of tragedy. One would think this recession is tragic, but all we and our elected officials can do is point fingers. And that's because it isn't about fixing problems, it's about getting elected and reelected, to get rich and stay rich.
- 5 votes
It doesn't help when Obama's "democratic majority" consisted of democrats that are no more then R's with D's after their names so he could barely EVER get that Super majority in the Senate in the face of NO support on the other side of the aisle who were bound and determined to block everything he tried to pass and in The House, same deal but Pelosi DID manage to get the Blue Dogs there to get on board and pass over 400 bills to see them die in the Senate. So enough with the Obama had a "democratic majority" the first 2 years crap because at least the previous loser got cooperation from dems which is more then I can say for the 100% obstructionist fascists of the right who have been obstructing policies they once supported just to block the current President from accomplishing ANYTHING.
In all my LIFE I have not seen a more dysfunctional Congress then this. It's disgusting and this bunch PRIDES themselves on their hatred, open disrespect and determination to continue their uncooperative ways that advance the interests of the RICH while crapping on the other 98%!!!!
#15.3 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 11:18 PM EDTIn all my LIFE I have not seen a more dysfunctional Congress then this. It's disgusting and this bunch PRIDES themselves on their hatred, open disrespect and determination to continue their uncooperative ways that advance the interests of the RICH while crapping on the other 98%!!!!
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The people will start burning Wall St as they realise that Helicopter Ben is exchange the tax money the people pay to the corrupt US administration for the debt of private excessive spending. If business can't make a profit when the interest rates are ZERO they shouldn't be there. This shows the real ability of big business to actually operate their business, they are either hopeless or DOA. Pull all your money you have in 401K out of the share market it will collapse soon. News flash Greece is in default it's just being propped up with toilet paper they are printing the Euro on.
GET OUT OF SHARES NOW, on a side note there are a group of marines who have indicated they plan to march with the Wall street protestors to take on the abusive police, it will be interesting. I wonder if Obama has his fiddle out like Nero did?
GET OUT OF SHARES NOW, on a side note there are a group of marines who have indicated they plan to march with the Wall street protestors to take on the abusive police, it will be interesting. I wonder if Obama has his fiddle out like Nero did?
- 2 votes
I am an old combat vet. Unfortunately, my health is too bad for the streets or I would be in NY.
I hope some marines join the protesters. I was thinking what a great thing it would be to have thousands of military join our protesters. Nothing but mass protest will stop the pigs from destroying America. Our middle class is declining, poverty is growing and the top few take more and more. That is a sure formula for depression and chaos.
#16.1 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 11:36 PM EDTI hope some marines join the protesters. I was thinking what a great thing it would be to have thousands of military join our protesters. Nothing but mass protest will stop the pigs from destroying America. Our middle class is declining, poverty is growing and the top few take more and more. That is a sure formula for depression and chaos.
Generous profitsharing can bring us back to good economic health. If the government cannot create jobs, then it is up to private interests to jump-start the economy. Profitsharing would increase demand and household income quickly, thereby stimulating growth. Private interests can no longer sit on the sidelines and take no responsibility in the economy. Profitsharing is not entitlement, it is investing in its own enterprise. Profitsharing can save the world. 20% of net profits is a good fair share to plow back to employees. Perhaps a tax credit for profitsharing can be a spark plug for such a national program. Employee profitsharing stabilizes free enterprise. Even stockholders prefer stability over uncertainty. This will work America, because it is the missing link to both supply-side economics and the missing link to economic democracy.
#17 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 4:40 PM EDTDr. Smith, profit sharing would be great, but Corporations are sitting on tons of money now and certainly not sharing. They are not hiring, but are spending to upgrade themselves and not their employees.Tell us how to compel Corporations to be better citizens. Can't be done. The days of Corporate responsibility went away when deregulation took hold. And even that isn't good enough. They want more.
The Supreme Court, units lack of wisdom, ruled that Corporations are like private citizens. Can you believe that? They have a heart and a brain? Maybe if they did, they would not have gotten us into this never ending cycle. But, like society, Greed rules. And see where we are. No, we don't need more self serving greed. It isn't healthy!Trust me, I'm a Doctor.
The Supreme Court, units lack of wisdom, ruled that Corporations are like private citizens. Can you believe that? They have a heart and a brain? Maybe if they did, they would not have gotten us into this never ending cycle. But, like society, Greed rules. And see where we are. No, we don't need more self serving greed. It isn't healthy!Trust me, I'm a Doctor.
- 6 votes
Generous profitsharing can bring us back to good economic health. If the government cannot create jobs, then it is up to private interests to jump-start the economy. Profitsharing would increase demand and household income quickly, thereby stimulating growth. Private interests can no longer sit on the sidelines and take no responsibility in the economy. Profitsharing is not entitlement, it is investing in its own enterprise. Profitsharing can save the world. 20% of net profits is a good fair share to plow back to employees. Perhaps a tax credit for profitsharing can be a spark plug for such a national program. Employee profitsharing stabilizes free enterprise. Even stockholders prefer stability over uncertainty. This will work America, because it is the missing link to both supply-side economics and the missing link to economic democracy.
- 1 vote
Dr... 20% of net profits, divided by x thousands of people globally, oh and the LARGEST consumer goods companies are in reality commerical arms of the Peoples Liberation Army in the Peoples Republic of China.
What will this do for the American economy?
What will this do for the American economy?
- 1 vote
Not to mention American Liberty! Sold out for greed!
#18.2 - Tue Oct 4, 2011 6:56 PM EDTadvertisement
Politicians are the problem; both Democrats and Republicans. These fools can only spend, they don't know how to save or pay-off debts.
This economic collapse is like watching a bad movie in slow motion. We know the default is coming, but it's happening in slow motion. Stimulus billions have slowed the default into a slow-motion fall off a cliff, but the stimulus can't prevent the coming default crash when the economy hits the bottom of the cliff.
This economic collapse is like watching a bad movie in slow motion. We know the default is coming, but it's happening in slow motion. Stimulus billions have slowed the default into a slow-motion fall off a cliff, but the stimulus can't prevent the coming default crash when the economy hits the bottom of the cliff.
- 4 votes
correct, Account is Overdrawn! all we are doing is kicking the can. If we cut spending and raise revenue (increase taxes for ALL), we could "right the ship", but will the American greed (for votes or entitlements) keep us from saving this country without a default?????
Watching Greece is a hint of things to come if we keep kicking the can.... or if China decides that we are NOT credit worthy and stop the lending (this will be hard for them since they are addicted to our buying addiction.
Watching Greece is a hint of things to come if we keep kicking the can.... or if China decides that we are NOT credit worthy and stop the lending (this will be hard for them since they are addicted to our buying addiction.
- 2 votes
Correct...most SS checks and government paychecks will be postmarked NSF= NonSufficient Funds..sooner than one thinks..Thank You George W Bush...oh BTW..can I have the $1200 you gave me back???Methinks a lot of indiviuals have been seeing that mark on their checks lateley,time for the US Govt to see how it feels..
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